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Mathew Knowles’ recent Ebony magazine interview drew attention when he said black women on pop radio with lighter complexions—including his own daughters Beyoncé and Solange—enjoy greater success because of colorism in the music industry and society at large. Knowles revisited the comments during a Page Six interview with Carlos Greer and shifted his attention to the racism that informs colorism as opposed to pull quotes about individual musicians.

“I don’t want us to get colorism as the main topic of this book,” Knowles told Greer. “It’s not even a chapter. I talk about it in various chapters, but this book is about racism. It’s not about black people on black people.”

Knowles’ remarks to Greer and the previous Ebony interview were both in support of his book, Racism: From the Eyes of a Child. In the book, Knowles draws on his own experiences with racism during his formative years in Gadsden, Alabama.

This isn’t the first time Knowles has spoken candidly about his experience with race relations in America. Knowles told Greer he never spoke specifically about colorism within the music industry to his daughters Solange and Beyoncé, but he did reflect on his experience at a segregated school on Solange’s album, A Seat at the Table.

“My first day, a state trooper caught me, put me in the backseat of the car, and meeting the other black kids, was six of us,” Mathew Knowles said on the “Dad Was Mad” interlude. “And seeing all of those parents, and also KKK members having signs and throwing cans at us, spitting at us. We lived in the threat of death every day. Every day. So I was just lost in this vacuum between integration and segregation and racism. That was my childhood.”

You can read the full interview with Mathew Knowles via Page Six.

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