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In case you somehow missed last week’s juicy Vulture interview with Quincy Jones, the famous producer made some pretty wild allegations. According to Jones,  he once dated Ivanka Trump, who apparently has “the most beautiful legs” but “the wrong father,” Richard Pryor and Marlon Brando had sex once (which Pryor’s widow confirmed), and Michael Jackson “stole a lot of stuff.” Specifically, Jones said Michael stole “Billie Jean” and “Don’t Stop ’Til You Get Enough.”

TMZ started to ask Joe Jackson on Saturday at the restaurant Toscanova in Calabasas, CA if his son did, in fact, steal the hook of “Billie Jean” from Donna Summer’s song “State of Independence.” Joe immediately chimed in and said, “I raised Michael, he’s my son. Quincy Jones, he knows better. I don’t want to talk about it.” When asked if he thinks Michael wrote “Billie Jean,” he said, “Yes, correct.”

Jones had a seemingly tight relationship with Michael as a co-producer for the late musician’s best-selling albums. The producer did not hold back on his MJ gossip during this interview: he also addressed Michael’s famous plastic surgery. “[Jackson] has a problem with his looks because his father told him he was ugly and abused him,” Jones said. “What do you expect?” The 84-year-old also addressed the state of music today, which, unsurprising given the tone of the interview, he is not at all impressed with. Pop music is “just loops, beats, rhymes, and hooks,” rap music is “the same phrase over and over and over again, and U2 sucks now, too. And this was just the PG-13 version of the interview.

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